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How to Make First 100 Gold

Tom sent in this awesome tip on how he made his first 100 gold. Thanks Tom for being so generous and thorough in your information. You're epic and will help a lot of people I'm sure. I managed to make 11 gold in an hour using your method, and I only played for about 10 minutes within that time.

Oh, real quick, before I give this strategy of Tom's away. Make sure that you use buy orders instead of buying things for full price. You won't make very much or even lose money if you try to rush this method.


"Hi,

I have been following your blog the past week very closely. I took your advice and decided to try something out myself. It proved to work and as I appreciate everything you helped me with I decided to share this idea with you and all your readers. I buy ordered several major runes and major sigils. Major sigils were bad, I took a loss of 4-5 gold. The major runes on the other hand, were ridiculously profitable. I put a couple of trials together with the math:

TRIAL 1:

Results:

I used all my major runes up except 2 (some come back etc. etc. so I did more than 20 tries obviously)

Superior runes received:
Superior Rune of Balthazar
Superior Rune of Scavenging
Superior Rune of Lich
Superior Rune of Svanir x 2
Superior Rune of Rage
Superior Rune of Thief
Superior Rune of the Forge (soulbound so I cannot sell it)
Superior Rune of the Adventurer

PROFIT:
I put in 1.10 gold per 20 major runes.
1.10g x 4 = 4.40 gold
In order to break even I need 4.40 gold.
If I sold all the runes at buy order price I would have gotten: 5.6 gold + Superior Rune of the Forge
If I sold all the runes at a selling price I would have gotten: 6.96 gold + Superior Rune of the Forge

Pure profit (deducted any TP percentages etc.):
1.62 GOLD + Superior Rune of the Forge

TRIAL 2:

Results:
21 runes x 8 = 168 runes at 5.50 silver a piece = 9.24 gold

Mixed them all with the following results:

Superior Rune of the Soldier
Superior Rune of Divinity
Superior Rune of Dwayna
Superior Rune of the Afflicted
Superior Rune of the Mesmer
Superior Rune of the Grove
Superior Rune of Earth
Superior Rune of the Necromancer
Superior Rune of Infiltration
Superior Rune of Scavenging
Superior Rune of Svanir
Superior Rune of Rage

In order to break even I need to sell them at 10.8705 gold.

Prices of the runes:
Buy order:
Superior Rune of the Soldier: 1.11 gold
Superior Rune of Divinity: 7.3 gold
Superior Rune of Dwayna: 50.26 silver
Superior Rune of the Afflicted: 97 silver
Superior Rune of the Mesmer: 60.70 silver
Superior Rune of the Grove: 10.10 silver
Superior Rune of Earth: 2.10 gold
Superior Rune of the Necromancer: 17.80 silver
Superior Rune of Infiltration: 33.91 silver
Superior Rune of Scavenging: 3.19 gold
Superior Rune of Svanir: 15.75 silver
Superior Rune of Rage: 81.50 silver

Added together: 17.3702 gold x 15% = 14.7647 gold

Sell:
Superior Rune of the Soldier: 1.20 gold
Superior Rune of Divinity: 7.88 gold
Superior Rune of Dwayna: 72. 95 silver
Superior Rune of the Afflicted: 1.38 gold
Superior Rune of the Mesmer: 78.87 silver
Superior Rune of the Grove: 15.10 silver
Superior Rune of Earth: 2.67 gold
Superior Rune of the Necromancer: 20 silver
Superior Rune of Infiltration: 50.30 silver
Superior Rune of Scavenging: 3.92 gold
Superior Rune of Svanir: 25.49 silver
Superior Rune of Rage: 89.50 silver

Added together: 20.5721 gold x 15%= 17.4863 gold

Pure profit: 17.4863 - 10.8705 = 6.6159 gold

Hope it can help some others out there wanting to make their first 100 gold !"

~Tom

31 comments:

  1. Anonymous said...:

    So... I'm assuming he threw the majors into the mystic forge in hopes of getting superiors.

    Based on the quoted text he:
    1. bought major runes/sigils - stole underpants
    2. "used them"/"mixed them" - ??
    3. sold superior runes of unknown origin - Profit!

    ;)

    [sincerity]

    I'm going to have to try this! Thanks for sharing!

    [/sincerity]

  1. Anonymous said...:

    So let me get this straight as I'm unsure about what he did here.
    Did he buy Major Runes and use the Mystic Forge to try to get Superior Runes?

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Im confused as to what is going on here? Is this from flipping runes or throwing them into the forge? The rest of the information is very informative, but as to how this method is done is still confusing

  1. Markco said...:

    Yes you mix at the forge. You need a good bit of gold to avoid bad luck, and you need to focus only on buying with buy orders to reduce the cost.

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Do you have to buy different runes to get these results or can you just buy, say 100+ of the same kind and get these results.

  1. Markco said...:

    The forge require four different runes to work.

  1. Anonymous said...:

    so you do 20x4 different major runes all at once?

    or 1x4 different runes, 20 times? :D

  1. You can split a stack up into 4 smaller stacks, then you can use the same rune in the 4 Mystic Forge slots. So I would guess you could go with just buying 1 single type of rune.

    Most of the time, you will get other major runes, so use those again in the Mystic Forge.

  1. Markco said...:

    The forge works like this for everything:

    4 different items at a time.

    In this case, it eats 1 of each per transaction.

  1. Actually, you can forge from 4 items of the same kind, and it's still random. I'm not sure if the chance of getting a superior of the same kind is better that way, though. (as in, 4x major runes of divinity has better chances to turn into 1 superior rune of divinity)

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Chances don't change with other runes used. I sent this e-mail to Markco and you guys are right, I should have better explained the situation.

    What I did:
    - Buy order in total 200 runes for example
    - Next day I come back and cancel all order
    - I divide all the runes in different stacks. (I once bought 80 major runes of infiltration and divided them in 4 stacks of 20)
    - Put all of them together EXCEPT the real expensive ones like Major rune of the Ranger. This one is like 14 silver and you can buy 2 other with that, so throw that one on TP to sell.

    I hope you guys enjoyed it. I never bought any specific runes, but runes like the eagle, infiltration, flock, lyssa, hoelbrak, dwayne ... are all runes that were the cheapest at one point.

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Mystic Toilet strikes again! I ended up losing 1 gold on the night. This method more than cancelled out my earnings with my usual flipping/just playing last night.

    ArenaNet's RNG absolutely hates me. The only superior's I got were Superior Rune of Grenth and Superior Rune of the Flock both of which sell for less than 5 silver each. My "big earners" on this method were a Major Rune of the Warrior and a Major Rune of the Thief (13.5s and 8.5s).

    Thanks for sharing the idea, and I'm glad it worked out for you but unfortunately it's just not for me apparently. :(

  1. Markco said...:

    Keep in mind that you need to drop a good 5 gold to avoid bad rng. Sorry for the loss :(

  1. Anonymous said...:

    It's quite alright. I wasn't overly attached to those pixels anyway. ;) I'll just have to get more pixels tonight. :)

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Okay, I did this awhile back ago with sigils and runes. Back in the days sigils where dirt cheap and the profit margin was excellcent! As of now I don't think it's worth it with the sigils. However the runes, when I first dabbled in that market, a lot of times the runes came back to me as "soulbound" and therefore I can't sell them via TP and only vendor. Can anyone give me a confirmation that this is still happening and that using this method you're still making profit? Thanks!

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Too bad this wasn't on the forum first... Major Rune's are rising in price now as people are trying to duplicate this. Good news for people hording Major Runes! XD

  1. Staisman said...:

    Yea its all about luck, if you look at the prices of the superior runes you will see that most of them cost less than 1g, so you have much more chances to get cheaper one and loose money. Same problem with precursors some people getting them after 200 rare items and some of them got nothing after outing 2000 rares.

  1. Toby said...:

    Hi Markco,

    Why is it 5 gold? You could even lose this bunch of gold but chances are only smaller, right?

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Invested 25g and lost round about 7g :/

  1. The Black Lion said...:

    I wouldn't recommend trying this method at the moment, since markco has just "shared" the tip there will be a lot of competition to buy the major runes, which will in turn raise the prices and contribute more to your costs.

    The second reason is that the Superior Rune market is now extremely competitive, and unless you are selling directly to buyers then you are likely to be undercut pretty fast.

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Its all about the gamble. I had at least 200 major runes waiting for me when I logged on today and tried this. I got a Sup Rage and Lyssa that sold pretty fast.

  1. Anonymous said...:

    I tried this with well over 1,000 runes today and pretty much came out even or with a small loss. I think the OP was very lucky his first two times. If that divinity rune would have come out a soulbound or cheap rune, he would be singing a different tune as his experiment would have barely broken even. Not saying you can't make money with this, but it is gambling and nothing more - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

    Good thought, though. Maybe if the spread between major and superior runes gets more favorable or the "cheapy" superior runes go up in price, this would be worth it, but it isn't a guaranteed money maker right now.

    I'll stick to flipping for the time being.

  1. Krinkles said...:

    i dropped 16 gold and made about 5 gold thats a 10 gold loss

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Got lucky and made a little over 10 gold, but I don't think I'll ever try that again. I saw this post and quickly tried it out without thinking it through, but after reading all the comments, I realize it's definitely a straight up gamble.

    Bought 148 Major Runes and I turned those into Superior Ranger, Engineer, Warrior, Dolyak, Adventurer, Ice, Citadel, and most importantly, Divinity (plus several other Majors). Even without the Divinity I still would have made about 3 gold, but it really made a big difference in the profit.

  1. Anonymous said...:

    Just tried this with 80 major runes and lost around 3G

  1. tocos a said...:

    tried with 100 major runes 8 gold made 26 gold i am so lucky got 3 Divinity
    and tons of the other ones

  1. Luca S. said...:

    Too many know it now. Used to be 4x250 minor sigil stacks for maxBO of 15 copper. Now you have to go for 17-21 copper maxBOs. Takes time to get those 4x250 stacks into your major sigils stacks...

    BUT well worthwhile

  1. Anonymous said...:

    What is the 15% in the second trial?
    Added together: 17.3702 gold x 15% = 14.7647 gold

  1. Good post. and good though who likes to "gamble" it's another way to play the game. It's win and lose. Some people enjoy the thrill of this.

    Objective is to make more gold. IMO. I have tried flipping items in the past and made "after tax profit", from it.

    Now, the best way forward is play the game as it is, guild missions, dungeons CoF, SE or high level Fractals (with luck you get a precursor). End game and objective for this is "not about the point of gambling'. It's making in-game gold so you can upgrade your alternate characters.

    Just do dungeons. I have like 25-30 gold in 2 weeks. Just on dungeons. Armors/Weapons are all free anyway. With the exception of runes/sigils which you only invest once per set of weapons/armor.

    You do not need that much gold anyway. Unless you are rushing to "buy" a precursor with 600g, and then spending another 600g on the rest of the materials. These legendary are merely eye-candy and does not improve your game mechanics, stats are all stuck at PTV anyway.

    My point is, play the game as it is. You lose if you rush blindly.

    Fyi, you are not able to salvage your runes if you slot it into a karma armor, even after transmutation. You only get the skin usable for other characters. Be careful where you slot a superior rune of divinity.

  1. Anonymous said...:

    I tried this method before about two weeks ago and quite frankly it's luck drop based. I was really unlucky, got tons of superior runes but mostly soulbound or low value. I did not break even with 3500 runes bought from 0,035-0,045g. Got only one Divinity from 850+ attempts :(. I wanted to beat the % by buying more runes, but it didn't work for me.

  1. SweetAnubis said...:

    How do you deal with a TP Vigilante? I've watched twice as over the course of about 10 seconds someone floods the item sales with dirt low prices until the actual price is no longer showed on the board. Do i ignore him and assume the price will go back up to normal? Do i buy him out and return the normal prices to view? Do i drop my own prices that low? What should i do at this point? I mean it's not a long stretch for me to just buy out the entire market on this item and return it to normal, it's not exactly a very common item anymore considering it's a rare dye. But i'm also not sure if dye prices will drop soon with the new wardrobe system or if they will raise since monsters no longer drop them.

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